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Dell SE198WFP - Backlight for 2 seonds, then goes out.

 

 


WoR496
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Nov 21, 2010, 11:02 PM

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Dell SE198WFP - Backlight for 2 seonds, then goes out. Can't Post

Hopefully nobody minds if i ask about a monitor in here.

Have a Dell SE198WFP 19" LCD Monitor. When turned on the back lights are on for about 2 seconds then they go off. There is still an image just no back lights. I've looked carefully over the power supply board (inverter board and ps board are integrated on this monitor), and i see absolutely no sign of bad caps, they all look great, no bulge at all or leakage. Could one still be bad without visible signs? I see many many posts elsewhere about people having the same problem with this monitor, but nobody ever posts if they find a solution.

Oh and the monitor is not going into standby mode, the power light stays blue and like i said the image is still there, just no back lights.

If anyone could clue me in i'd greatly appreciate it :) I can't even find any service info for the ps board that is in it.



jts1957
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Nov 22, 2010, 1:56 AM

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Are connectors to / from boards labeled as to function? B-Plus, BRI, BLON, etc.

Power supply / Inverter, common to be combined in computer monitors, could still be bad or control board may be telling it to turn backlites off.


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(This post was edited by jts1957 on Nov 22, 2010, 1:59 AM)


WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 3:15 AM

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Thank you for your response.

Unfortuantly the pins are not labled on either board where the connector goes from the powersupply/inverter board to the control/video board. Here are some pics of what i'm working with here.

http://members.cox.net/jdsanchez473/lcd/1.JPG


http://members.cox.net/jdsanchez473/lcd/2.JPG


jts1957
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Nov 22, 2010, 3:33 AM

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Can you post a pix of quadrant of BACK of PS/Inverter where connector is?
I'd like to try following the foils from connector to electrolytics/diodes, etc.
Board part number?


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(This post was edited by jts1957 on Nov 22, 2010, 3:34 AM)


WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 3:46 AM

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I can't seem to get a good enough picture so you can trace that, but i for sure can do it tomorrow. I'll take a picture and highlight the traces and list what they connect to, or whatever info you need. I really appreciate the help :) thanks!


jts1957
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Nov 22, 2010, 4:12 AM

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You'll probably find one (or more) ground pins, one (or more) 12/13 volt pins, one (or more) 5 volt pins. Hopefully this will leave 2 or three pins one of which should be back light enable (BLON), another back light intensity.


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WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 7:16 PM

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Well it would appear that the video board is doing its job, at least with the BLON. It works. It appears to be pin 4. When its off, no voltage, hit the power button, and no voltage until the backligh lights up, then it jumps to 3.33v and stays there but the bulbs don't stay lit up.

Here is the voltage readings i got on the other pins. Note this is with no video source hooked up. It didn't go into standby mode which i thought was kind of odd but maybe its just that way, i really don't know lol. the led stayed blue the whole time, never went orange.'

1 - 0.03
2 - 0.0
3 - 2.92
4 - 3.33 BLON
5 - 0.01
6 - 0.01
7 - 4.95

Will try it with a video source and see if anything changes there.


(This post was edited by WoR496 on Nov 22, 2010, 7:33 PM)


WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 7:22 PM

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No change with source.

I did notice a slight high pitch frequency when the backlights are on but its not loud at all. I'm not sure but isn't there a "normal" amount of high freq. noise generated by inverters.


(This post was edited by WoR496 on Nov 22, 2010, 7:24 PM)


WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 10:23 PM

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well i was messing with it more and using the limited testing tools i have ( a dvom lol) i'm pretty sure all caps are good. I did notice one thing though. After the bulbs go out, there is a repeating high pitch sound. I recorded it hoping someone here might have a clue what this would point to. forgive the quality, the sound was very quiet so i had to do some amplification & noise reduction.

http://members.cox.net/...473/lcd/lcdsound.mp3


WoR496
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Nov 22, 2010, 10:50 PM

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Also i failed to mention that maybe 1 out of 8 times when you turn it on, the backlights will come back on one more time for the 1-2 seconds, then shut back off and stay off. I thought it was kind of odd and should point it out.

In case that made no sense (happens) i'll map it out simple.

Power on, lights on(1-2 sec), lights off(1-2sec), lights back on(1-2sec), no more lights, power led stays blue, makes repetitive high pitch noise.

I checked the voltage regulators on the logic board and they seem to be working fine.


(This post was edited by WoR496 on Nov 22, 2010, 11:21 PM)


jts1957
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Nov 23, 2010, 1:32 AM

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7 wires 4 near-zero.
1) NO 12v or 13v even at regulators?
2) where's pix foil views?


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WoR496
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Nov 23, 2010, 9:00 PM

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No 12v anywhere that i have came across.

Had something come up here.. i resoldered the xformer leads and the ccfl connector leads and most things in between. After that the first time i powered it up it did the same thing again, 1-2 sec then dead. But the second time i powered it up it stayed alive for almost a minute. Now repeatedly i can turn it on, and get light for 30-45 sec or so, then it will kind of flicker for a couple seconds, then shut off (as in no light but led stays blue)...

I'm wondering now if it is related to heat in some way with the long delay it has now before it shuts down? but then again if it was heat i wouldn't be able to shut it off, turn it right back on and get another 30-45 sec of light out of it.


jts1957
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Nov 23, 2010, 10:06 PM

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There are (at least two - at 12 o'clock and 1:30pm) heat sink mounted diodes on PS/inverter that should be for the approximately 5 volt and 12 volt sources. 5 volt for scaler (logic), 12 volt for inverter.

PS/Inverter board part number(s)?

This will be my last response if no pictures of rear side of PS/Inverter posted.


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(This post was edited by jts1957 on Nov 23, 2010, 10:24 PM)


WoR496
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Nov 24, 2010, 2:42 AM

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Board reads:

490941400000R
QLPI-017 Rev.C
2007.10.19

Has OZ9937GN CCFL controller which i can't find a datasheet for...

http://members.cox.net/...473/lcd/inv-back.jpg

Will do more poking around see if i can find the 12v

Thank you for your help :)


WoR496
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Nov 24, 2010, 3:10 AM

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If you mean heatsink mounted transistors then here are the readings off them, all referenced from the heatsink.

12oclock transistor - when ccfl's are working normally
1- ~3.2V
2- ~16v
3- ~3.2V

12oclock transistor -when ccfl's go out and stay out
1- Alternates between ~1.85V and ~2.35V
2- Stays at ~19V
3- Alternates between ~1.85V and ~2.35V

1:30 transistor - stays same weather ccfl's are on or off
1- 0v
2- 5v
3- 0v


jts1957
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Nov 24, 2010, 4:35 AM

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D854 & D85?6? is diode. Pin 1 & pin 3 are wired together (VAC), center pin 2 is cathode (VDC).


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(This post was edited by jts1957 on Nov 24, 2010, 4:36 AM)


WoR496
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Nov 24, 2010, 7:56 PM

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oh sorry i thought they were transistors but yes its D854 & D856 that i got the above readings from. So i guess my readings from pins 1 & 3 are not correct above since i was measuring DC ... will do again.


(This post was edited by WoR496 on Nov 24, 2010, 8:00 PM)


WoR496
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Nov 25, 2010, 1:19 AM

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Well it turned out to be a High voltage wire running across the top of one of the ccfl's was leaking and burnt. I removed it from the bulb, patched it up with some electrical tape (yes i know, but thats what i'm working with right now) re-soldered it and no more noise, and it stays on.


WoR496
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Nov 25, 2010, 5:29 PM

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Monitor is all back together and has been working great for hours, just hope my tape job holds up, prob. should have used silicone. Thank you jts1957 for assisting me with this, i greatly appreciate it.


evernn
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Dec 28, 2010, 4:09 AM

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You can find one (or more) ground pins, one (or more) 12.13 V-pin, one (or more) 5-volt line. Hopefully this will leave two or three needles should be in a backlight allows (London) and the backlight others...
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