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Gatchers
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Jan 16, 2005, 10:58 AM

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Interesting.

dhuggins made a manual available - and this refers to 'image sticking' on page 12, as referenced by some other people here. My page 12 for my GTV42P3 refers to wall mounting - again referenced by some P3 owners. My manual clearly says P3 on the front.

So, how different are these models? I would really love to see a digital camera/camerphone image of the remote control and input panel on different models. I can reciprocate with the P3.

Gatchers
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Jan 16, 2005, 11:02 AM

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A problem I've found with the P3:

If no aeriel is connected and there's no incoming SCART signal (eg not plugged in/not fully plugged in)the remote is very very unresponsive.

Also, it looks like the screen size selection generally works for me, selecting non-linear stretching for 4:3, but for some channels it seems a little suspect, for example Living TV and Bravo as I've mentioned before. Sometimes you get an image that doesn't quite look widescreen or 4:3, and doesn't take up the whole screen vertically, stretching causes you to lose some image.

My 4 year old CRT widescreen always seemed okay at all times...

Gatchers
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Jan 16, 2005, 11:12 AM

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Some questions:

Does the P4 have non-linear zoom? If dhuggins' manual is a P4 manual, then page 17 doesn't list it as an option. Page 24-25 of the P3 manual does.

Are both SCARTs RGB capable? If dhuggins' manual is a P4 manual, then page 32 is the spec sheet, and this says they are both the same. Page 44 of the P3 manual clearly marks that SCART 2 doesn't have RGB input, just AV.

How many 4-way selectors are on the remote? The P3 remote has one.

Gatchers
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Jan 16, 2005, 11:14 AM

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Quintro+ link:

http://www.b-tech-int.com/BT945.htm

bigcol18
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Jan 16, 2005, 3:04 PM

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well got my goodmans plasma delivered on wednesday after placing order on 27th dec not bad delivery time, very happy with it so far, picture clear, sound amazing and clear and very surround sound feel. the tv weighes 48kg which in my opinion is far too heavy to put onto a wall if ur condisdering putting it on be very careful, one thing i cant get is the bloody sky+ remote to work with it, try alot of codes and none work,

if anyone can give me some help it would be great

AMAZING TV well worth �999.00 lol

Gatchers
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Jan 16, 2005, 3:07 PM

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Excellent, glad you like it!

Which model do you have, is it a GTV42P3 or GTV32P4?

JohnnyBoy
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Jan 16, 2005, 7:05 PM

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pete007
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Jan 17, 2005, 11:35 PM

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hi johnny
well after a full week on basic settings and changed colour/contrast etc and i have to say now it looks great this painting effect has calmed down a bit but does pop up now and again but overall impressed now......also got a call from argos today to tell me replacement is now another 2-3 weeks due to no stock in any warehouses???? god there must be hundred of us out there!!!!.......engineer still booked for wed will let you know how that goes.......how is your plasma doing?
pete

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Jan 18, 2005, 9:02 AM

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Hi Pete, Can't say mine has really. As I've said before, DVD, and PS2 seem ok, but problems with SKY+. 2 examples over the weekend, watched L'pool v Man U, pitch in particular looked poor, also on Big Brother, many instances of 'painting by numbers'. I've seen other comments about issues with SKY+ in general, but the bottom line is I didn't get this effect on my CRT, so having spent a grand on a new TV, I don't expect it now. We're also on the 2-3 week list for the replacement (P4) model, so I will see what that is like when it comes. However, in the meantime I'll continue researching the alternatives. It is a tricky one though, as let's say I spend 1300 - 1400 on an LG for example, and I get the same effect as on the Goodmans, what then? Hopefully by looking at www.avforums.com over the next few weeks, I'll get some good info on what to look out for and what to avoid, especially with SKY+

Cheers

tonybrentwood
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Jan 18, 2005, 9:26 AM

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Hi folks,

As I've said before I bought three of the p3's from Argos, two for my (big) kids, and one for me. All have the speaker hum, and I got a call from Argos today to say that Goodmans have reported a 70% return rate from the tv's after Xmas, and Argos are waiting for a new batch before sending out. I'm getting all three replaced, and Argos say that this won't happen until mid Feb at the earliest. I can't fault Argos on the customer service thing, but I would be annoyed if they were replacing a set that was'nt working at all-how could I live without plasma for 4 weeks?

I'd also like to know if it's possible to work the volume etc from the sky control-nothing I do seems to work. My son bought one of the flash light up LCD remotes for �40, and even that wouldn't work until he contacted the maker for a new code that wasn't in the instruction book.

Don't hold you're breath if waiting for your plasma!

Tony.

andymac
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Jan 18, 2005, 2:32 PM

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Just an update so we can keep a view on the 'delivery trend'

Had a call from Argos today (we've given up chasing them now!) to say that our plasma won't be delivered for '2 to 3 weeks'. As posted earlier - ordered it on 30th Dec.

System:-
Tivo, Marantz AV Amp, Windows MCE, Pioneer DVD, SKY, Neuston MC500, XBox

Shocked Pants
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Jan 18, 2005, 4:22 PM

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Hi Gatchers

Sorry it's taken me so long, but here finally are the pics of the P4 and its remote control.

Looks like there's no point me waiting for the replacement to turn up in the near future. Also interesting that 70% have been returned!!! Shocked

Glad I kept my miniscule 32" widescreen telly and didn't give it away before checking that the new one worked without problem.....

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D_Duke
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Jan 18, 2005, 7:14 PM

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Still waiting.......

Told to wait until late January for my delivery,....ordered 30th Dec

I'm starting to get twitchy and contemplating paying the extra �300-400

for th LG PX11. Hopefully someone will post a good review of the goodmans to keep hopes up that this tv will arrive and will produce the
clear picture I expect after spending �1k.

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Gatchers
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Jan 18, 2005, 8:54 PM

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I have to say I'm very happy with the display quality. It lookms like maybe some people are having problems with perhaps some inputs on some models. I'm getting exactly what I expect - a crystal clear display with good contrast coming from the SCART inputs and the quality coming from my set top box is as expected (IE the artifacting is more noticeable because it's a large display) and I see the same artifacting with an LCD panel.

Shocked Pants
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Jan 19, 2005, 7:30 AM

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Received a letter in the post this morning from Argos Direct, contents as follows (minus all the account/order/personal details obviously Wink

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"Dear Sir

Thankyou for purchasing a Goodmans GTV42P4 Plasma Television from us. I trust it has now been successfully delivered and installed.

During our suppliers recent Quality Control process they have found that a small percentage of the units sold may malfunction in certain instances.

1) A blank screen may appear which can be easily remedied by disconnecting the unit from the mains socket then plugging it in again. Please find attached instructions for further details.

2) A lack of Teletext functionality in certain modes.

Both these faults can be easily remedied by an engineer visiting your home and upgrading the TV's software. If you are experiencing any difficulties with your Televiosion, please call the Goodmans Plasma Helpline on 0870 873 0090 to arrange a service call at your convenience.

OUr opening hours are:

Mon - Fri 8am-8pm
Sat 9am-4pm
Sun 11am-4pm

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause and also our assurance that no other Goodmans products are affected by this issue."

The attached instructions are as follows:

"Goodmans GTV42P4 Important Information

Please note the following information should you be experiencing problems with this product.

- Please note that when powering off this set after viewing that you power off either at the mains socket or by using the mechanical power switch located at the rear of the set. Do not power off using the standby button on the remote. Failure to do so may result in unusual operations occurring such as a blank screen.

- If you have already used the remote control to power off/on the TV and the screen is blank. Switch the set off at the mains plug in the wall socket or power switch located at the rear of the unit. This will reset the TV to its normal operation.

- to power the TV back On again switch the mains socket or mains switch at the rear of TV then press and hold the power button on the remote control for 2-3 seconds until the red standby light changes to blue.

- After reading this and you are still experiencing problems, please contact our Helpline shown below for further information.

Should you require further information please contact our Helpline on 0870 873 0090

Ref.: Good1104/1DF"

Sorry for the long post, but I thought this might be useful to other people out there, although no doubt we'll all get this letter. Sadly the instructions failed to resurrect the TV I have, however I might get quicker service from Goodmans than Argos Direct, who obviously have to wait for Goodmans to supply them!

Incidentally, this line is ONLY for the faults listed above......and expect a wait!!!

Shocked Pants
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Jan 19, 2005, 7:38 AM

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Just come off the phone with Goodmans. The outcome is that they are going to organise for a contractor (ServiceSpeed) to bring out a new circuit board to install into the back of the TV. Apparently this will solve the problem of not being able to use the Standby switch. I'd advise anyone else with the P4 model who has been advised of the standby problem to contact Goodmans and get them to change that PCB too.

I shall keep you updated on the speed of the repair!!

Also, I've finally plugged the speakers in, and didn't experience any humming at all.

pete007
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Jan 20, 2005, 10:04 PM

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hi johnny
just to let you know how things went today with an engineer sent from argos direct.........A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME....this old guy turns up and first thing he says is that's a big plasma!!...good start....all he did was muck about with the remote changing my settings to suit himself!!!!!!!...then says after i have asked every question i can think of ....just ask for a replacement....10 mins later he was gone what the hell is going on i thought i might get some expert advice....nothing.....well argos had better watch out tomorrow as they are about to get shot down over the phone....sorry to go on but i'm well pissed off....the replacement better be trouble free....cheers
pete

JohnnyBoy
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Jan 21, 2005, 4:29 AM

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Hi Pete, Sorry to hear the latest. What the hell were they doing sending him out anyhow if all he was going to do was that. Hope you didn't take time off especially.I must admit I'm no longer remotely confident that the replacement they send out will resolve all my issues anyhow, which is why I'm spending quite a bit of time on the other forum, monitoring what options I have in my budget to get the picture quality I want. It does seem increasingly likely, I'll have to up my budget a fair amount, as there only seem to be a few screens that get consistently good feedback. I'm reluctant to fork out too much more on a TV, but the one thing this Godmans has done for me is not make me want to go back to a diddy 32".

For others monitoring this post I'm going to attempt to post some piccies soon of the painting by numbers effect they can expect, especially from SKY, if they buy this TV. Shame is that others seem to have the same problem, which they seem to accept as part and parcel of having a plasma..not me.

Cheers

Johnny

Gatchers
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Jan 21, 2005, 5:25 AM

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Hi

I'm definitely not saying that the MPEG artifacts I'm seeing are part and parcel of having a plasma - they are part and parcel of seeing them because of having either a bigger display, or a higher resolution display, which is why I made the comparison with an LCD monitor. I get the same effect from my PC's digital terrestrial decoder on my PCs LCD monitor too.

This is why I've been careful to state that this is why I'm finding with *my* plasma. Which is why I suspect your display issue is different, and I think you already mentioned it was dependant on the input you are using. If it's the case, and we have the same model, then yours has a fault that mine does not, and therefore isn't therefore a 'feature' of this model. Output from my consoles (via SCART) show none of this, and neither does output from my laptop via the DVI input, showing perfect colour graduation, which is again why I said earlier that for me, there's no problem with the display panel itself - it's reproducing what's coming in, and has been verified against other output devices.

I don't use the aerial input, only SCART and DVI. All my consoles and my set top box share the one input.

To try to be a little clearer, with MPEG artifacting, you tend to get little blurry 'box' effects around sharp edges, especially during periods of rapid movement. The best way to see this is to play back a small (low biotrate) video file on a mobile that supports video playback. DHC can help correct this because it's introducing an averaging effect.

A picture will really help. I'll have a go tonight with mine. Also, a quick tets would be to bring up a menu screen from whatever set top box you're using. Do you a 'oainting by numbers' effect on both this, and the incoming programme image?

There are rumours of lots of returns, maybe there has been a serious quality control issue? Argos seem eager to replace as well. Why not see what it's like with a replacement?

Gatchers
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Jan 21, 2005, 5:36 AM

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And just to add, looking at it, I couldn't even describe artifacting as 'painting by numbers' either, colour graduation is always good here...

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Jan 21, 2005, 6:38 AM

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Trying to investigate and reading back through the forums further...

The people who have noticed a 'painting by numbers effect' are saying they see it 'sometimes'. Do you really see differences in quality at different times> That's something I'm definitely not seeing here. It's the same if it's been on all day or just turned on. The same show played back via TiVo or the same DVD etc, play back the same at all times.

JohnnyBoy, you mentioned that Argos have actually said that there is a problem with your TV and that they are replacing it? If this is the case, can we really say that the 'painting by numbers effect' is a feature of this TV type?

My wife works with someone who got a GTV42P3 before the offer started - they are not seeing this either.

Cheers,

Gareth

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Jan 21, 2005, 2:56 PM

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I ordered the Goodmans 42" plasma from Argos on the 27th December and it arrived 11th Jan which I thought wasn't bad.

Since using it I had noticed the two main problems mentioned by others. At times there was what seems to be termed a 'paint by numbers' effect on faster moving objects which to be honest is minimal and I think due to the fact my living room isn't very big i don't have a great distance between the screen and viewer. Also a buzz sound. Others have mentioned the noise coming from the speakers but the buzz on mine was coming from the circuits at the back. Has anyone else had this problem?

I called Argos today regards the buzz and was told that they'd have a replacement delivered on monday morning (24th) as they knew of the fault from my original batch. Nice of them to let me know.

Having to get it replaced is a bit of a pain but I can't complain about Argos arranging a new one without question or delay.

pete007
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Jan 21, 2005, 4:09 PM

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hi johnny
well just gave argos hell today and even managed so good news at last.....they now admit that there has been some probs with p3 and p4 versions ie the standby issue so they have now told goodmans that every new replacement and new plasma will be tested for all probs....also she gave me the number which has been posted on this forum and i got thru to goodmans right away and told them of the probs with standby button/picture etc and was told they would arrange for a engineer to come over and upgrade plasma which should sort out probs...so good news at last.....

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Argos rang today to say they would deliver on monday... after saying 2 weeks earlier in the week. Shouldn;t complain, except I will be in Florida on a training course next week (it's a hard life) so will have to rely on SWMBO setting it up.

Bit concerned with the previous post saying that argos stating all will be tested for standby probs - does that mean Monday won't happen after all? Will make sure the wife checks it's a P4 before setting it up...

System:-
Tivo, Marantz AV Amp, Windows MCE, Pioneer DVD, SKY, Neuston MC500, XBox

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D_Duke
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Couldn't wait any longer. No sign of it arriving and not confident they will get me a working model first time. Its not cheap if I need multiple days off work for delivery/return/repair/return....

I still think is a good deal but my situation doesn't allow me the luxury for multiple delivery dates and I'm getting fed up waiting for argos.

Say they have 1000 people waiting for delivery @ �1000......leaves them a nice chunk of change to keep in their bank account while we're all waiting for them to get a model that doesn't break down.

I pushed the boat out and spent an extra �600!!!! ouch.....said I wouldn't but after comparing and physically looking at my alternatives LG-RZ-42PX11 �1350 and panasonix TH-42PW6D (�1600 bundle from www.nexnix.co.uk) and a few others, the panasonic was miles better IMO and stood out and was what I was originally expecting from the goodmans. So I've spent �600 more than I wanted but now I can stop driving my wife mad by trawling forums trying to justify the goodmans. I hope when it does turn up for some of you, you are pleased with its performance.

I'll keep an eye on the forum with interest. Cheers.

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