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GOODMANS GTV42P3 42 " PLASMA TV

 

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johngla
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Mar 20, 2005, 12:42 PM

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On the P4 the source of the audio can be selected using the arrow key on the remote control. Using the arrow keys a white box appears momentarily around one picture or the other. The selected picture provides the audio. The source selection also functions on the selected picture.

I don't know about the P3. I did get some insight from a Goodmans contracted engineer who can to replace the main video board of my P4 (it whistled). He said the P3 was a Beko OEM unit rebadged to Goodmans. We he took the P4 apart it was obvious that it was an LG OEM rebadged to be Goodmans. Maybe looking for the unit that matches the P3 you'll be able to figure out how it's supposed to behave? On a sub-note, the engineer left the factory mode menu enabled, the software version was dated Jan 28th 2005! Looks like it's still in development on the P4!


ant500
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Mar 21, 2005, 11:51 AM

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well it look like you could be right m8 been on there site and it looks like a p3 to me



http://www.beko.com.tr/...p;diff=&lu_id=10



but not much information about the spec


johngla
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Mar 25, 2005, 1:50 PM

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Looks like you've found the equivalent for the P3. I think the LG 42PZ44V is the basis of the P4 set although I think they've revised the video board and software to support scart (when the engineer had the set apart the scart connectors are on a seperate board that is connected to the main board, as a sub note, when I had access to the factory menu, there is an option to switch between RGB and YPrPb for the scart inputs).

(***Correction: I've since discovered a strange fact, the P4 appears to have an LG panel and driver circuits, it has a PSU for an WXGA panel rated upto 380W (the panel on the P4 only needs around 250W) and the video board and Beko printed all over it?)

I found a fault in the factory mode on the P4, adjusting the colours in the factory mode menu was fine, except when you switched input subsequently. There's a software bug, it seems that the factory mode adjustments must all be on 128 else the adjustment in user land clips and you end up with a very dark image. Once the clip has happened it won't revert unless you go back into factory mode and adjust the settings again, but then when you change input the clipping happens again. When I did a factory reset it fixed the fault but de-activated access to the factory mode menu. Doh! I write firmware for stuff like this as my day job so I wrote Goodmans quite a long email about it. I've not heard from them since.


(This post was edited by johngla on Mar 28, 2005, 10:25 AM)


chief barker
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Mar 28, 2005, 7:28 AM

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Hi,

I've just ordered the goodmans gtv42p from argos...but i need some help in setting up my equipment.

I have a pace set top box (ntl)

I am going to purchase a dvd home cinema kit also.

How do i connect the dvd to the set top, so i get the sound from the dvd speakers (do i need to purchase a dvd with 2 scart sockets?)

I am only going to have the set top box and a dvd running on the plasma (no video recorder).

The set top box has 2 sockets on it one says t.v., the other says video.

Thanks in advance


johngla
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Mar 28, 2005, 10:43 AM

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Your audio connections will depend on whats on offer from your set top box, DVD and the inputs on your home surround center.

The cable set top boxes typically have a stereo phono audio output on the back of them. I've seen these on Pace NTL and Telewest boxes, the Telewest Scientific Atlantic box also has these outputs.

Your best connection from you DVD player would be a digital output, provided your surround amplifier has a digital decoder inside. A digital connection will either be a single cabled connection or an optical link, again this depends on your kit. Some DVD players have the digital decoders built in and have 6 phono outputs on them (Left, Right, Center, Rear Left, Rear Right and Subwoofer, i.e. the 5.1 setup), these players need a surround amplifer that has all of these analogue input on it.

On my setup I have a the DVD player connected to the amp via a digital link and the set top box connected to the amp via a seperate phono analogue input on the amp.

As for the scart setup, the P4 has a pair of scart sockets on it. If your only using a DVD player and settop box I'd connect them to there own inputs on the P4. If you've got more devices you can always chain them through you settop box. (If a scart connector on a box is marked TV, that's the connection that goes up the scart chain to the TV, or next device in the chain closest to the TV). Another alternative here is to utilise a sync seperator and the VGA input on the P4, although I've never tried this with an interlaced device (I've heard rumors that this increases picture quality although I'm not sure how?)

Beware though, some devices will pull the chain down if chained, i.e. cause noise and make the picture dimmer. I've observed this on my setup when my video is connected to the TV via the settop box. A fix for this is to use a scart switch that physically isolates the inputs (they usually have a switch on them and are not the auto switching type). You should also be aware that any devices chained through other devices will probably be limited to the output of the connected device, i.e. connecting a games console with an RGB link into a video that only supports composite will result in the game signal being received by the TV as a composite signal, I know this happens as I have a gamecube with RGB scart (it only has the RGB signals wired up) and via the video the signal is clearly composite (pixel crawling visible).

I hope this helps and isn't to generic.


chief barker
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Mar 28, 2005, 1:23 PM

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Re: [johngla] GOODMANS GTV42P3 42 " PLASMA TV [In reply to] Can't Post

Hello Jongla.

Thank you very much for your very swift and informative reply,

As i am only purchasing a dvd home cinema system (with its own speakers) and a set top box. Will i only need 2 scart leads, one from the t.v output on the set top box to the plasma plugged into scart 1 socket on the plasma. And the other lead from the dvd to the scart 2 socket on the plasma?.

Will this give me sound from the dvd speakers?. (as i do not intend to use the speakers supplied with the gtv42).

I apologise if i sound a bit dumb...but i am a complete novice when it comes to this subject.Blush

By the way, are you pleased with your screen?.


gemy
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Mar 29, 2005, 3:08 AM

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hey, been thinking about buying a plasma for a lil while now because i came into some money, and i saw the great price for this certain one on argos - but i have a few concerns... i dont have sky, and seeing all these posts about this painting by numbers situation.. im worried the picture will be terrible or something just coming from an aerial, and also... i'll be mostly playing xbox on this plasma... can anyone comment on how xbox looks on this tv? (as i've seen a post about ps2 being ok aslong as you're not too close, and i'll be about 7-8ft away) but my biggest concern is - the life span of this tv.. when i told my friend i was thinking about plasma, he told me they have really low life on them compared to regular tvs, around 20,000hrs...? and i cant seem to find anywhere what the life span of this tv is, can anyone answer this? i dont want to spend £1000 on something that i'll NEED to replace in only a few short years..(i know i wont have this kinda money again) my tv stays on almost or definately all day.. (i've read about how you shouldn't leave it on standby.. so i guess i'll have to learn to turn it off when i go to sleep ;)) so i'd appreciate any info.... thanks


johngla
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Mar 29, 2005, 5:04 AM

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I don't use the speakers that came with the TV either. The scart setup you're after sounds okay, although that won't handle the audio for either the DVD or the settop box. If you get a DVD home cinema it'll come with connections for between the DVD and the audio amplifier. What you'll need to make sure is that you get a system that can cope with an additional 'stereo phono' audio input, this'll be the connection from your cable settop box to the amplifier (on the cable box the phono connoections are normally female, one red, the other white phono).

You'll be able to tell if the amplifier has a source select, i.e. DVD or AUX/TV/Video/etc.

There is also a stereo phono audio output on the TV. That'll output whatever source is selected by the TV (as opposed to connecting directly to the cable box). Just make sure you remember to select DVD on your amp when watching a DVD else you'll just get the stereo signal.

On my settup the digital input is always live (i.e. from the DVD) and is mixed with the analogue input (as opposed to having to switch the amp into the correct source). This works pretty well as we just switch off the cable box when we're watching a DVD. If we're recording something and can't switch it off there a button on the amp to deselect the input. I'm using the 'Creative® Inspire™ 5.1 Digital 5700' audio system. I got that one because it's got a Dolby 5.1 digital and a DTS decoder in it, plus it has a remote which a surprisingly few systems at the time had, that was 2 years ago and they're still selling it!http://uk.europe.creative.com/...y=25&product=439
An awesom setup would be the Gigawork S750 with a DDTS-100 decoder but do't expect your neighbours to talk to you if you get that Tongue.


(This post was edited by johngla on Mar 29, 2005, 5:09 AM)


chief barker
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Mar 29, 2005, 10:42 AM

Post #209 of 218 (3562 views)
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Re: [johngla] GOODMANS GTV42P3 42 " PLASMA TV [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi.

I've seen the light!!!!!Cool.

All is clear now....thank you very much for your help.

I will post back when i get my equipment...hopefully at the end of the week.

Once again thanks for your help.


johngla
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Mar 29, 2005, 11:52 AM

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Just realised I didn't answer your last question.

To be honest I was a little disappointed when I first switched it on but I've done quite a bit of fiddling since and I'm very happy now, especially as I know it has the potential to look even better once certain knowledge becomes more freely available. It's a bit of a learning curve with plasma screens. I know the screen has even more potential for a better image, as and when I find stuff out I'll post it.

What I know so far about my set is:

> Green channel is about 20% weaker than red and blue, this give some banding but you get used to it (i.e. R:50, G:50, B:50 ends up being R:50, G:40, B:50 which isn't grey!). I'm pestering goodmans for information because this is fixable, it might just be my set so we'll have to see what they say. I have a computer connected to it (via DVI, very high quality image on 1:1 mode) and I was able to compensate for the weakness as an experiment, static pictures looked awesome after this, still some glow/banding on moving images, that's the regular plasma effect that almost all screens get.

> I had a goodmans contracted enginer in to replace a faulty video board (it squealed, not loudly, just at an annoyingly high pitch, it's not normal and they fixed it, they're email support replied in about 3 minutes, I was very impressed, took a while longer to arrange for the engineer to visit, I called there office down south to moan and I got a call back within an hour from an engineer so they do try and be good at support with a bit of poking).

> After the engineer visited (and seemed to loose some screws for the back) I decided to have a look inside myself (I'm an engineer, don't do this yourself, there are lethal voltages in there). I tidyied up the cabling (separating power and data cables, moving those cables away from the circuit boards) and screwed the video board down properly. The contract engineer had cross threaded most of the screws. The most important tidying I made was moving the internal ariel cable away from the scart connectors, it seems that was causing some noise on the scart inputs. The picture looks a lot sharper now. This isn't really different to any other set, it's just when you have a much bigger screen, little bits of noise get big so you have to be more careful. This is also why I'm looking forward to HDTV broadcasts in 2006 from sky and the cable companies. Currently certain cable channels (paramount, livingTV, etc) don't get a very high bit rate and thus look grainy, it's not very bad but I know it can be better.

Calibration of the set helps hugely, currently all we've got is brightness, contrast colour and sharpness but they'll do for now (factory mode menu which has individual colour adjustments is present but locked out). I made an SVCD (has to be calibrated via the input you will be using, i.e. calibrating via DVI does nothing for the scart plugs) that contained a set of colour bar that allowed me to calibrate the contrast and brightness.


chief barker
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Mar 29, 2005, 12:19 PM

Post #211 of 218 (3554 views)
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Re: [johngla] GOODMANS GTV42P3 42 " PLASMA TV [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi mate,

You mentioned that you have your p.c connected to your screen via D.V.I, If this is the case i will definately be connecting mine to the screen.

What other connections has the screen got?.

I have just ordered the panasonic scht870 cinema kit (1000w).

Now all i need to order is some decent phono and scart leads, i will probably go for the IXOS series cables.

A.T.B


johngla
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Mar 29, 2005, 12:28 PM

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The GTV42P4 has got DVI-D (that just means it's digital only, no analogue input on the connector). There's also a standard VGA port and you can use them both at the same time. The actual resolution of the panel is something like 853X480 W(ide)VGA. It's also go RCA video, S-video, the pair of scart sockets and the arial in. One of best line up of input of a plasma screen if you ask me! I have to say though, I was very surprised at how expensive DVI connection cables are I got one for £30 from PC world but the first on I found there was £55. The difference was frequency range, you only need a regular DVI cable, unless you want to buy one that can also do excessively 6xxx X 4xxx high resolutions for specialised medical displays. It's a tight fit around the back for that cable but it does fit, you just have to nudge the screws on the cable up toward the set at the same time then it goes in fine. The TV will do 1024x768 at least I think but you can tell it's scaling it so I tend to stick with the 8xxX480 settings witht eh TV in 1:1 aspect ratio (only available on computer inputs).


Gatchers
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Aug 1, 2005, 1:34 PM

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Hi guys,

Well, I've had no problems with my GTV42P4 - until tonight. We were watching TV and there was a loud bang - then the screen went dim and the colours quite strange.

Sounds to me like a cap vented. Has anyone else had a problem like this?

The other problem is that I've moved country since I got my plasma... so support might be interesting. Ironically, I'm probably a great deal nearer the OEM, being in Singapore now.


Lionheart
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Aug 4, 2005, 9:47 PM

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Take it from someone who has had hassle in the past with the following companies goods. My advice is....dont buy Goodmans, Daewoo, or Tiny Plasma TV's....they all use cheap components and therefore sell em cheaper....its a false economy...instead look for something like a model thats just been replaced ie the outgoing Panasonic models....they aint HD but I think i saw them going for not to different a price of the Goodmans....anyway hope this helps someone ...sooner or later these tvs break down (sooner more often than later to) and anyway Tiny have just stopped trading (again) I believe so that should save a few tears


Gatchers
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Aug 4, 2005, 10:51 PM

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Yup, you're probably not wrong unfortunately.

A shame, as I've supported this model because there were known good working models out there and was prepared to accept that there were problems with some batches that went out. Long term reliability is another thing entirely.

So, looks like I'm looking for splashing out more money for a proper one. Shame, I got good use out of the Goodmans model for the 6 months it lasted.


luckylucas
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Aug 14, 2005, 1:18 PM

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Hi, I hope someone can help me. I have the Goodmans GTV42P3 42" plasma tv, I have tried all the codes & cant get the Sky+ remote to work at all ! Does anyone have a code that works please? Also how does one enter the code!? Many thanks marc.lucas@ntlworld.com


(This post was edited by luckylucas on Aug 20, 2005, 2:27 PM)


luckylucas
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Aug 20, 2005, 2:23 PM

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Just a quick note to say I have the same TV, but the "p3" version & mine did exactly the same thing, I had been watching it all day then around midnight there was a loud bang & then the colours looked awfull! I took mine back to the company I got it from & they replaced it for me.


tony.duncan
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Jan 23, 2006, 2:19 PM

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Hi i have a goodmans xpro GTV 42 P5 do you know hav toget the engerners menu up

Thank Tony

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