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CRT Samsung CB-528ZSE picture problem

 

 


Megatron
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Jul 31, 2016, 3:22 PM

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Regards,

I have problem with picture on CRT Samsung CB-528ZSE.
Here you can download datasheet manual:
http://www.electronica-pt.com/esquema/func-startdown/18703/
I'll put picture soon but this is what I found similar on google how the problem looks:
http://www.ussherpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/redscreen1.jpg
I had to turn G2 SCREEN voltage potentiometer almost on maximum to see something on picture.

It starts when I made an idiotic mistake when I measure the voltage on CRT PCB the voltage the probe slips and shorted on PCB connector MCT02 on a second when measuring pin3 175V shorted with pin 4 HEATER or shorted with pin 2 R, I don't remember, but it occur spark, and TV was shut down in stand by. When this occur the video transistor Q202 burned and I repleace it with the new one with the same mark KSA642 but it didn't solve the problem. The picture is now poor like the heater in tube is burned. I pulled of the PCB from tube and checked the heater on pins H1 and H2 and the heater seems fine, it shows on ohmmeter 2,6 Ohm.
I checked whole electronic elements on whole PCB motherboard and PCB on tube and found nothing. I desolder all transistors, diodes, condensators and checked with multimeter (trnsistors 6 way test, diodes 2 way test, capacitors with C-meter and electrolitic with C-meter and ESR meter.
I even repleaced all electrolitic capacitor and still no results. I checked all resistors and still nothing. I bought new videoprocessor IC501 TA7698AP and still no changes.
Here are results of measuring the voltage compearing with datasheet:
On CRT PCB connector MCT02 on pin3 the voltage is measured to high 196V instead 175V. On pin4 HEATER the voltage I measured is only 2V AC. Pin1 8,7V, Pin2 8,7V.
On repleaced transistor Q201 KSA642 on emiter I measured 8,7V instead 7,4 as on datasheet.
On vertical drive IC301 i have on pin9 24V.
On C457 i have 16,5V.
On main power supply transformer secondary I have after relay RL001 +33V, +125V(TP125), +18V, +5V.
On video matrix chip IC501 I measured on RGB output pins 20, 21, 22: 7,3V, 7,7V, 7,3V and I have 12V on CRT PCB connector MCT01 pin4.

On CRT tube connector RK, GK, BK: 195V, 195,2V, 195,5V
Sound is fine.
I realy don't have idea where to look for further and what causes the voltage on CRT PCB connector MCT02 to high 195V instead 175V, and heater voltage for my opinion to low only 2V AC?

Thank you



Ron.M
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Jul 31, 2016, 5:36 PM

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Megatron;...

IF you shorted pin 3 with pin 2 on MCT02 , you probably did some damage to the circuitry of the red video...
But , you apparently checked a whole lot of circuitry that may be the red video etc are ok...

I'm not sure that the heater voltage you are reading could be the problem...
Reason is that that voltage comes from the flyback & is at a much higher frequency...
The "AC" that regular voltmeters are designed to read is 60 cycle AC that is coming out of your wall outlet...
Best way to see if you did some damage to the CRT heater supply which is normally at 6.3 volts is to read ohms from pin 4 of MCT02 to BOTH sides of R504 with MCT02 DISCONNECTED from the CRT...
You should read 1 ohm OR LESS ...
Also read the ohms from pin 4 on the connector ON the CRT module to CRT ground..
Please post both readings..
Thanks...

Since I'm not that familiar with these Samsung TVs & the "Service Manual" is SEVERELY limited , my help will be limited..


Later...Ron.M...Cool
Veteran & Retired TV technician


jts1957
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Jul 31, 2016, 6:31 PM

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What was the ORIGINAL problem that caused you to try to take measurements? Is this pix accurate for CURRENT symptom including reddishness?
You can't measure CRT heater voltage accurately with a standard ohmmeter. Check for a orange glow in the CRT neck. R504 may have changed in value. Bypass by shorting it for a few seconds. R221/R222/R223 are correct values?

SW201 was/is in "NORMAL" position? And does it have continuity?

You're the first person I've encountered that has checked each and every semiconductor and discrete parts.
Do we have a scope?


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(This post was edited by jts1957 on Jul 31, 2016, 6:34 PM)


Megatron
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Jul 31, 2016, 9:04 PM

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 Hi,
@Ron thanks for reply. First of all R504 on the datasheet writes 1 Ohm but in fabric they put 0,47 Ohm.
When measuring resistance with disconnected MCT02 from PCB CRT I have 0,2 Ohm from MCT02 pin4 to R504 and when measuring from MCT02 pin4 through R504 I have 0,6 Ohm (0,2 + 0,47 Ohm = 0,6 Ohm) so it fits.
When measuring on CRT PCB module disconnected MCT02, but mounted PCB on tube I have measured 2,6 Ohm from pin4 to ground as well I previous measured directly on tube HEATER H1 and H2 and have the same results.
@Ron, any help is welcome. Smile


Megatron
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Jul 31, 2016, 9:18 PM

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   Hi,
@jts1957, R504 is fine, R221, R222, R223 I checked them all four today again and all are fine.
Service switch SW201 has three positions; 1 NORMAL, 2 RED, 3 VERTICAL (horizontal bright line in the middle of black screen). Yes SW201 is in normal position and I checked continuity.
I have no scope yet, yes @jts1957 it is the hard labour when you can't find problem then you must desolder almost every element and check with DMM, when everything is suspicious.Cool
I'll put the real picture for few hours maybe sooner.


(This post was edited by Megatron on Jul 31, 2016, 9:28 PM)


jts1957
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Jul 31, 2016, 9:53 PM

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What was the ORIGINAL problem that caused you to try to take measurements? Is this pix accurate for CURRENT symptom including reddishness?
Check for a orange glow in the CRT neck.


You seem to have missed this part.


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Megatron
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Jul 31, 2016, 10:29 PM

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 Original cause was problem in vertical circuit and the picture was jumping because of moisture and rust in VERTICAL HOLD potentiometer CN700 which is connected to video IC501 pin29.
The problem was also in vertical circuit and the picture was stratched in discontinueted lines and it repairs it self just like magic. I have no comment how.
The heater is glowing orange from all three RGB guns. The glow is like cigarette light.


Megatron
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Jul 31, 2016, 11:20 PM

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 The picture of the screen looks better in real but still poor and weak.
http://i.imgur.com/1tmlXQg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iWsQ4c0.jpg


Megatron
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Aug 3, 2016, 12:17 AM

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 Today I repleaced trimmer potentiometers all on the tube PCB, and almost all on the motherboard:
VR502, VR503, VR504, VR505, VR506, then also VR302, VR401, VR203.
...and it didn't solve the problem.Unsure
I have no idea what to do else accept change all electrolytic capacitors, what would you do if I were you guys?Crazy


Megatron
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Aug 15, 2016, 10:58 PM

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Could be suspect flyback transformer?

 
 
 


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