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RCA snowy picture channels 2-13

 

 


bamajim
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Feb 2, 2003, 5:42 PM

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I have a 20 inch RCA that has snowy picture on channels 2-13. Everything above 13 is perfect. Also, if I place a signal amp in the line from the anrenna to the tv 2-13 are about 80% clear. Any one have any idea what the problem might be. I have already changed u7301 mixer/oscillator in the tuner circuit but it did not change anything. Any help would be appreciated.

Jim



Alan
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Feb 2, 2003, 8:28 PM

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What vintage TV is this?
Sounds suspicious that you are just having
a problem with the VHF channels.
The tuner might have a switching diode that is controlled
by the system controller for the various bands.
It could also be problem in the frequency synthesizer.
Sounds like you're a tech since you changed out the
osc/mixer. If that didn't help I would put the original one
back in as it could change the bandpass characteristics of the tuner.
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 2, 2003, 10:39 PM

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It was MFG in 1999. Model # F19207BC. Chassis #CTC185C3.

Not a Tech but I do enjoy electronics and am pretty handy with a soldering iron. It is a problem with the VHF channels as UHF channels are all good regardless if set for cable or antenna. Do you have any other ideas I can try. The set was given to me so I can spend some on it, but I know its not worth putting to much into, this is why I am trying to fix it myself. Thanks for the reply.

Jim


Alan
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Feb 3, 2003, 12:44 AM

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How much dB gain did the amp give you?
Sounds like enough to make up for the insertion loss in the tuner.
Since you've had the tuner apart you must be somewhat familiar with it.
What is the part number of the osc/mixer?
I'm surprised it has an oscillator being a 1999 vintage.
I would have thought it would have had a synthesizer.
Are the inputs to the tuner labelled?
I am thinking that there might be a diode in the tuner that changes the bandpass of the tuner between VHF and UHF by changing the inductance.
If so, you can meter the input on the control line that probably comes from the micro as you change channels (VHF to UHF).
If I had a schematic of the tuner, it would be a lot easier.
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 3, 2003, 8:14 AM

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The amp had about 20 db gain. The part number is CXA1694L Sony.

The inputs to the tuner are not labeled. There is another chip on the underside of the board.

Part # mc44864m or motorola jck839. I do not have a schematic either but have gotten some troubleshooting material from a site on the internet that tells about checking the voltage as you change channels. I'll read through that and see what I come up with. I do have a schematic of a ctc203ax 1999 model also. tuners could be close to same. I'll look at it and see if it can help.

Thanks

Jim


Alan
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Feb 3, 2003, 10:30 AM

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Jim
I have an eleven page doc on the mc44864m.
What is the part # of the chip underneath?
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 3, 2003, 1:49 PM

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The part # is JCK839 mfg by motorola. Don't know the RCA part #.

Jim


Alan
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Feb 3, 2003, 2:47 PM

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What I'm saying is that I have the data sheet on the mc44864m,
which is a PLL Tuning Circuit.
Is the JCK839 the part number of the other chip
or another number for the mc44864m?
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 3, 2003, 4:17 PM

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It is another number for the mc44864m. This and the CXA1695L are the only 2 chips in the tuning circuit, under the shield. one is on top of the board and the other on the bottom.

Jim


Alan
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Feb 3, 2003, 10:14 PM

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Jim,
Here is what I have come up with from looking at the chips.
I could be more definite if I had the tuner schematic.
All information pertains to the MC44864 chip.
Pins 5, 6, 7, & 8 are the outputs from the D/A cct.
These voltages should changes as the channels are changed.
These will be be very small changes as they are reverse bias voltages for the osc and the tuned ccts.They should go from a low of about 0.2VDC on CH2 to 1.5V max
on the higher channels. I don't think the problem is in here.
Nor do I think that there is problem between the microcontoller and the tuner. The fact that the UHF channels work, pretty well rules the micro out. I think the problem is in the band switching. Pins 14, 15, 16, & 17 do the band switching. I think pin 16 is for VHF and pin 17 is for UHF. The low condition should be about .01V and the high about 1.8V. On CH2, pin 16 should be high and pin 17 should be low. On CH14 and above the reverse should apply. The other pins (14 &15) may also be used. The main thing is that you see a change in the voltage on these four pins in discrete steps when you go from the VHF to the UHF channels. Now the big question that I cannot answer is, how does the cable-ready hook-up affects this?
I have the data sheets for both of these chips if you want them.
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 4, 2003, 9:12 PM

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Thanks for the help Alan. I have a couple of sheets That I got off another site that lists what the bandswitching voltages are suppored to be. Not sure how the cable ready works, I don't have cable, if this what you mean. I know when changed to cable in the menu I still have the same results. I will start checking these voltages and get back later. Don't have a lot of time at night because of working 10 hour days and a 45 minute drive.

Thanks

Jim


Alan
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Feb 5, 2003, 11:21 AM

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Jim
I'm just curious where you fond more info on the tuner?
Alan


bamajim
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Feb 5, 2003, 9:52 PM

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http://www.paradigmstore.com/185tu.pdf

Try this link

Jim

 
 
 


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