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billmill1
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Nov 16, 2012, 5:06 AM

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Ron why when looking down in to crtr's blue isnt as bright as grn. and red kinda light blue changing back wires no change does factory reset change settings for crts too? my factory remote some of the buttons dont work cant find another original

Ron.M
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Nov 16, 2012, 8:26 PM

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billmill1;....

I'm a bit leary about teling you how to fix this due to the fact you appear to have difficulty following detailed instructions... Unsure

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FYI:
You CAN put more than one pix in a single post...

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my factory remote some of the buttons dont work cant find another original

I think I can find one for you when the time comes....

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factory reset change settings for crts too?

NOT usually...
DID you mess with ANY of them ????

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Ron why when looking down in to crtr's blue isnt as bright as grn. and red kinda light blue changing back wires no change

That's due to an adjustment that's needed...

NEED answer to this:=>.....
"""Have you been into the "Factory Menu" ???
If so , did you make ANY adjustments there ???...
Just out of curiousity , where do you live ???"""

WARNING:...
IF you skip over some of my questions & do not answer them ALL , I will skip over advising you...

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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billmill1
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Nov 18, 2012, 7:45 AM

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Ron ,Im just asking questions because im trying to learn .If you dont ask then you dont get a answere or you dont learn right ..what instructions havent I done? answer to your Questions are 1}I havent been the factory menu 2} i havent changed anything except when you wanted J484 and J585 and changed back 3}what does where i live have a bearing on anythin or you rate people by location well i was born in Atlanta,I guess that makes me stupid .the tv was fine only thing the picture had a green tint.i didnt take off the end with the lens cap i took it loose from 4 spring bolts,drained ,cleaned crt lens bolted back up filled with coolant and put back in. i dont know if you are seei ng all my post some have 493 forbidden . well pic 1) is the convergence after swapping back the J484 and J485 the red and blue wont go up any more. 2} i can bring down red and blue to middle screen string 3} output not on small blue bar on top 4} bigger bar on bottom

billmill1
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Nov 18, 2012, 7:56 AM

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Ron.M
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Nov 18, 2012, 10:57 PM

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billmill1;....

First off , I'm NOT mad , pissed or upset with you in any way !!!
Being born in Atlanta does NOT make you stupid...
Being stupid does NOT mean you live in Atlanta...
I do NOT think you are in ANY way stupid...
Based on the way you write your posts , it looks like you could use a bit more education..
Spelling , sentence construction , punctuation , etc....
NO OFFENSE INTENDED !!!...

Asking questions does NOT bother me one iota !!!..

Back to the TV...

Let me clarify some things....

You have J484 and J485 going to their correct CRTs...
J484 goes to green & J485 goes to blue...
Correct ???...

You can move the red convergence up , down , left & right...
Correct ???..
You can move the blue convergence up , down , left & right...
Correct ???..
What do you mean by "factory remote" ???..
What color is the remote ???..
Black , grey or green ???..

The lines in the pix on far left side look like they will line up well....
The lines in the pix next to that one look like they are lined up fairly well...
When I get answers to the "Qs" above we'll start adjusting...

The "403" Forbidden means you deleted that pix from imageshack & is no longer available...

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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billmill1
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Nov 19, 2012, 6:27 AM

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Ron, the J484 & j485 are hooked up to correct crts.The red & the blue convergences do move up,down ,left and right. The pix on far left,the lines red and blue ,that is as far up as they will move.The pix on right I was just trying to see . if i could line up the red and blue together.The factory remote is the remote that came with the TV.,Its grey (00Y147ME-AA01} HALF THE BUTTONS ACT LIKE THEY DONT WORK. i FOUND ONE. iVE BEEN USEING MY CHARTER REMOTE.

Ron.M
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Nov 19, 2012, 8:37 PM

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billmill1;....

I request the model number of the TV...
IF possible , can you take a good , clear pix of the original remote you are using & post it ???
THANKS....

Here we go;....
For starters;...
We need to center the range of the blue & red convergence adjustments in order to get the next step correctly done...
Lets start with the red convergence adjustments...
Cover the blue & green CRTs so nothing shows onscreen except the red cross...
1st , move the red cross all the way up as far as it will go...
Put your trigger finger on the screen just above the horizontal line part of the cross & keep it there...
Now move the cross down as far as it will go & put your thumb just below the horizontal line of the cross & keep it there..
Now move the red cross to place the horizontal line about half way between your trigger finger & thumb...
Leave it there...

Now move the red cross all the way to the left...
Put your trigger finger on the screen on the left edge of the vertical line of the red cross & keep it there....
Now move the red cross all the way to the right as far as it will go & put your thumb on the right edge of the vertical line & keep it there.....
Now move the red cross to place the vertical line about half way between your trigger finger & thumb...
Leave those settings where they are...

Cover the red & green CRTs so nothing shows onscreen except the blue cross...
Repeat the above procedure with the blue convergence adjustments...

Leave ALL adjustments set till I give you the next set of adjustments to do...

That may be later today or tomorrow AM...
The next series of adjustments will be done from inside the TV & you will need someone to help you...
Their help will be telling you how you are doing & to guide you...
NO physical or technical requirements needed..
I will also need a pix of the lower back part of the TV with the cover off & looking toward the front of the set...
THANKS... Smile

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Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

billmill1
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Nov 21, 2012, 12:02 AM

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1} original philipg/mag 00Y147ME-AA01 replacement CROSLEY PHILIPS/MAG-483521917724.2} useing now charter remote. 3}4} back of tv. 5} trailer

(This post was edited by billmill1 on Nov 21, 2012, 12:12 AM)

billmill1
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Nov 21, 2012, 12:26 AM

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FORGOT MODEL OF TV: PHILIPS/MAGNAVOX 8P4844 C101 CHASSIS: PTV810- AH01

Ron.M
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Nov 21, 2012, 1:55 AM

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billmill1;.....

Thanks for the info.... Smile

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Had a glitch at my end & didn't get to do what I needed to do for you...

I should be able to do that tomorrow...
Sorry bout dat !!!...

Is this the original remote you said some of the buttons are not working ???...

I presume you did ALL the adjustments I asked for & left them alone...
Correct ???...
What you see onscreen will be badly misconverged crossess...
Correct ???...

Please take a good , clear , (in focus) pix of what the crosses look like & post pix...
THANK YOU !!!... Smile

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Do you have the User Manual for that set ???...

I will be back online tomorrow AM...

See you sometime then... Sly

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Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

(This post was edited by Ron.M on Nov 21, 2012, 1:58 AM)

billmill1
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Nov 22, 2012, 6:28 AM

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Ron, that is the original reote.I did all the adjustents then turned the tv off. yes i have a owners manual, Cool

Ron.M
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Nov 22, 2012, 6:31 PM

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billmill1;....

Forget sumptin????

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Please take a good , clear , (in focus) pix of what the crosses look like & post pix...
THANK YOU !!!... Smile

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HAPPY THANKSGIVING... Smile

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See ya tomorrow....

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

billmill1
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Nov 23, 2012, 6:20 AM

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sorry ron though i did

Ron.M
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Nov 23, 2012, 11:24 PM

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billmill1;...

I hope you gained about 5 lbs from all that Thanksgiving dinner you ate.. Wink

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In your pix below:=>...

the Red & Blue look like the are EVENLY apart...Correct ???
Take a ruler & measure the distance on EACH end & post results...
The Green IS slanted...
When we get to the adjustments , do NOT mess with the Red in ANY way....
Reason is that the red adjustments are NOT disturbed & we WILL use that as a reference to get the green & blue lined up...

The adjustments are at the bottom of the CRTs...
The pix below shows the back of the TV...

The lower parts of the CRTs will be hard to get to & you have to have the TV on while you do the adjustments..
SOOoo , see if the speaker grille in front is hiding an acess panel by pulling on the sides to remove it...
The speaker grille is held onto the TV with velcro pads & should release the grille with a firm tug...

THANKS.... Sly

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Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

(This post was edited by Ron.M on Nov 23, 2012, 11:27 PM)

billmill1
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Nov 24, 2012, 1:22 PM

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ron hope you had a nice thanksgiving.there is 1 5/8 inches distance at both ends between the red and blue lines. the pix is with the front panel off . there is no screws to finish taking off, looks like ive got to take off from inside .ill see

Ron.M
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Nov 24, 2012, 6:38 PM

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billmill1;.....

OK , you're going to have to do this from the back...
Do not remove ANYTHING from the inside !!!
Looking from the back toward the front of the TV , which side is the blue CRT on , left or right..
The green CRT is in the center & from what I see , you should be able to get at that CRT & the one on the right side fairly easily...
With the TV OFF & UNPLUGGED , see if you can reach SAFELY the bottom of the CRTs with your hand & touch the bottom of the yokes of the green & red CRTs without hitting any other wiring etc....
I need one more pix...
I need a pix the same as the one in my post that you took with the 3 crosses , except , with some heavier string diagonally across all corners so it can be seen in the pix easily...
LEAVE the string on the TV as in the next series of adjustments the string will be needed...
THANKS... Smile

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Yes , I did have a nice Thanksgiving & hope you had the same.. Smile

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Later...Ron.M... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

(This post was edited by Ron.M on Nov 24, 2012, 6:40 PM)

billmill1
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Nov 25, 2012, 5:43 AM

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ron the blue is on the right.what do i need to get to around? The board and the glass tube and the rings

Ron.M
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Nov 25, 2012, 7:27 PM

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billmill1;....

PERFECT !!!!

The crosses lined up EXACTLY as I hoped....
The Red cross is EXACTLY where it should be , DEAD CENTER !!!.......
Reason is that you did not mess wih it.....
NO OFFENSE !!!!
The Green , however , has 2 problems...
One is that the cross is off center , easily fixed..
Two is that the line is slanted .....
Requires some expertise....

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what do i need to get to around?

You will have to loosen a clamp on the CENTER CRT (Green) & turn the yoke slightly to get the Green horizontal line straight across & parallel to the red horizontal line...

In the pix below , the Green arrow shows where the clamp is located...

http://imageshack.us/...58/billmillyoke1.jpg

Depending where the screw is at , it may be tough to get at while the CRT is in the set...
See if you can see a small Philips head screw on the clamp that you can get at to loosen ...
Do this with the TV off & unplugged...
Do NOT loosen the clamp YET !!!
Once we get past this glitch , the fun begins...
The easy part is next...

Post results...

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

billmill1
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Nov 26, 2012, 5:24 AM

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Yea,Ron i can get to the screw on the clamp.when you tell me to turn the yoke.Which part do I turn above the clamp or below?

Ron.M
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Nov 26, 2012, 6:44 PM

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billmill1;....

EXCELLENT !!!!.....

With the TV off ,
CAREFULLY loosen the clamp till the yoke just starts to feel loose...
You will have to hold the yoke in place as you loosen the screw so it doesn't suddenly slide down & snap the CRT module & possiby snap the CRT neck...
Loosen the yoke so that it is snugly in place yet you can turn it a tad counterclockwise from your point of view...
IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THIS with the TV on , have a friend tell you when the green horizontal line is straight across & parallel to the red horizontal line...
When he/she says it is , lightly tighten the clamp so the yoke stays in place & check the line for yourself...
When you turn the yoke , turn it by grabbing the outer grey plastic section above the clamp...
While you are turning the yoke , keep it UP FULLY towards the top of the CRT..
USE CARE NOT to break the tabs on the lower section of the yoke...
IF you break them , you are screwed...
See pix below;=>....

When the green horizontal line is straight across & parallel to the red horizontal line , measure it as you did with the blue & post results...
When you are finished , tighten the clamp..
Use care when you do that as you can easily snap the neck of the CRT...
So do NOT over tighten it...
Please post a pix....
THANKS... Sly

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Later...Ron.M... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

(This post was edited by Ron.M on Nov 26, 2012, 6:48 PM)

billmill1
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Nov 28, 2012, 3:11 AM

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Ron ,done.it is 15/8" between the green & the red on both ends & blue to red is 3/4" did you want me to see if they will converge?

Ron.M
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Nov 28, 2012, 3:46 AM

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billmill1;....

You are doing a GREAT job so far.... Smile

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you want me to see if they will converge?

NO !!!....
Wait for my post tomorrow , Wednesday..
I will give you detailed info...

Thanks.... Sly

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Have a good evening.... Smile

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Later...Ron.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

Ron.M
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Nov 28, 2012, 7:44 PM

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billmill1;......

OK.....

In the pix below;=>....

The tabs circled are the centering tabs...
Somehow while you changed the coolant they got moved off kilter on the green & blue CRTs...
You will need a piece of cardboard or a magazine to cover the lens on the blue CRT so no blue is seen onscreen & a friend to advise you of your progress...
Once you have covered the blue CRT you will be adjusting the "Green" CRT tabs...
They should turn clockwise & counterclockwise without too much trouble....
IF they are stuck , do NOT force them to move...
Let me know...
Try to move 1 tab at a time to get the green cross to cover the Red cross completely...
You will see that when you move a tab the pix will shift in one direction...
If it does not go where it should , move the other tab...
It takes trial & error to get the crosses to line up...
But they WILL line up...
Once you have the green cross covering the red cross , move the cardboard or magazine from the blue CRT lens to the green CRT lens & adjust the tabs the same way on the blue CRT...

Please post pix when this is done...
Do NOT ADJUST the convergence adjustments YET !!!!
We still have a bit more to check/do...

Later...Ron.M.... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

billmill1
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Nov 29, 2012, 4:43 AM

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n how do you get them to go up & down?

Ron.M
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Nov 29, 2012, 6:33 PM

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billmill1;....

IF you look at the pix in my post from the top...
There are 2 tabs sticking up...
One of the tabs will move the cross up & down....
The other will move the cross left & right..
They are not marked as to which way they move...
Those tabs are part of rings that are part of the yoke that slide around in a circular fashion...
Those rings go completely around the yoke...
To adjust them grab 1 tab & turn it to the right or left as viewed from the pix...
The pix will respond one way or another...
It will be a "trial & error" adjustment as they interact with each other...
Reminder;...
""IF they are stuck , do NOT force them to move...
Let me know""...

In your pix below;=>...

The Red cross is DEAD CENTER where it belongs !!!!..

In the pix below;=>...

THE RED & ALL THE CROSSES HAVE SHIFTED TO THE LEFT !!!!...
Where the F did I say to adjust the RED ????
Put the GD red back in the center & LEAVE IT THE F ALONE !!!!............

REMEMBER THIS ???:=>...

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I'm a bit leary about teling you how to fix this due to the fact you appear to have difficulty following detailed instructions......
Mad

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ONE more time you jump OFF track & do something I did NOT ask you to do , you WILL be looking for another tech to help you !!!!..
UNDERSTAND !!!

jts1957...NO comment , please...

Later...Ron.M... Cool

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Veteran & Retired TV technician

(This post was edited by Ron.M on Nov 29, 2012, 7:49 PM)

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